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[*] Posted on 3-31-2008 at 11:28 AM
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Glad you finally announced this Jim. This is what the community needs. As I said privately before, diversity and options is what the community deserves. If Joomla and Mambo can do it and embrace one another in there adventures and development then there is no reason why the XMB community cannot. When I say community, I mean the users and modification developers who stand outside the the official project but enjoy using and benefiting from it. I wish XMB well and Ultra XMB has always intended to be nothing more than a modified and properly developed alternative for XMB users to enjoy. I have hope and faith that XMB Optimized will bring great integrity and options to the community as well. You have my support and best wishes in the endeavors ahead of you.
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Also, the scuttlebutt is that for XMB 2.0 they plan to go in a social networking type of direction. This will be the breaking point for me. I don't like those sites, they're more trouble than they're worth (legally and personally) and I see nothing but a whole lot more support issues that I personally don't care to deal with.


When did we ever say that's how XMB was going to go? We never set anything in stone. We were discussing the idea...not saying that's the way it's going to bounce, I'm not sure where you came to this conclusion, but as it stands, that statement is false. We've been working on 1.9.9 up until now, and are still doing a few bits and tweaks to the Lite and Pro builds alike, 2.0's structure along with it's direction has not yet been discussed to be set in stone. The only thing we know for sure is it will be released under a license which is released under The XMB Group's terms, IE, Not GPL (however, it will remain a non-commercial, and free license).

I should probably throw in here, I can not speak for old management, especially not Aventure Media and the lot, but I can say that there's a lot going on both with 1.9.9 and the internal workings of XMB (the project as a whole), both on the front of political elimination, community development, project development, and crediting. I'm meerly just one person, I can't speak for the rest of the current XMB Management, but I can when I say, iEntry does not provide anymore than a facility to house a server, the project still belongs to the XMBGroup, and there are no plans on changing this, less the project is terminated.




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[*] Posted on 3-31-2008 at 07:59 PM
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posted on 12-28-2007 at 11:42 PM
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This is to be a social networking hub, more like Facebook or Myspace than a forum.


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We don't want XMB to be a non-forum, that'd make the name of it rather useless wouldn't it? (eXtreme Message Boards)
We're simply implying that the idea may be better to base it around social networking instead of the standard, everyday, normal forum. Do something that hasn't been done before.


Need I say more? Didn't think so. Therefore my statement is NOT false.

Michael, I don't need or want your negativity here. Negativity is prevalent enough at xmb. I don't go there starting crap unless, of course, I'm provoked. This thread is an announcement of our new project. It is not for a flame war or spamming of another product. I wouldn't go to xmb and make this announcement. That just wouldn't be ethical. And I'm sure if I did the thread would get deleted and I would be banned. After all, my signature link was banned before for no apparent reason.

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[*] Posted on 3-31-2008 at 08:32 PM
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A third party user/comment.

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We don't want XMB to be a non-forum, that'd make the name of it rather useless wouldn't it? (eXtreme Message Boards)
We're simply implying that the idea may be better to base it around social networking instead of the standard, everyday, normal forum. Do something that hasn't been done before.


Need I say more? Didn't think so. Therefore my statement is NOT false.


Yes it is false. These are not set-stone ideas or developments. In case you haven't noticed there is no set plan on 2.0 yet, because all of the focus has been on resolving 1.9's issues.

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Michael, I don't need or want your negativity here. Negativity is prevalent enough at xmb.


This is not negativity, it's correcting a statement which is false. If someone went around spreading rumors that X item is being provided by you, wouldn't you want to confirm to users that it is not true? I don't believe I need to say more.

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After all, my signature link was banned before for no apparent reason.


Your signature isn't banned, I'm not sure what you're on about?

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And it's mainly because of the lack of direction and lack of leadership at xmb is why I'm branching out along with all the ridiculous back to back beta, rc, sp releases that makes it nearly impossible to keep hacks updated.


We've been trying to fix the issues that were never addressed or issues which were kicked and rolled off to the side in 1.9.8, I hardly see how that is a "lack of leadership" rather than addressing the issues that previous management failed to tend to. Beta, RC, SP...blame the ones responsible for such, not the ones who fixed most of the issues and are starting on the next version.

Feel free to reban me for this statement but don't delete this post, I'm wanting the users to see this so they understand that once again XMB's having to deal with more users splitting due to their own issues. It's not our fault you updated mods and the like KNOWING that 1.9.9 was coming out, YOU KNEW THIS. You said so yourself, don't try and make XMB look like the bad guy here.

I do enjoy seeing how you like to group those of us who wanted to take XMB back in as a "hostile, negative group", instead of those who are trying to deal with all the backlash, from Aventure Media, defecting projects...the redundance of Ultra and Ultima and the like. It astounds me and the rest of the group how so many people can complain about change and lack of leadership when they can't step up and try to fix it themselves, that just blows my mind. Then when people finally do do it, you all go hog wild whining and complaining because "that's not what we want." It's not my fault you're not bringing these issues to the front, it's not XMB's fault you're not either, it's your own fault.

Jim, this would be what, the third dramatic issue you've made about XMB since 2005? 2006? Why is that? It's important to you is it not? If it's so important, why do you insist on trying to make things more tense between the XMB Community and yourself? I should extend this to include John as well, why is it you all feel the need to continue to increase tension with the XMB Group?

You may not like us, we may not like you...guess what, we're supporting people, real live human beings, and I'll go ahead and tag on what Tanner was saying on XMB, why we can't be like Drupal and Joomla...why...because, we've never been offered that oppertunity by UltraXMB, or Ultima...why should we show the same hospitality in return? These were defected forks in the XMB Core software...there was sole intent during UltimaBB's inception, to compete with XMB. Why do we have to be like others, what makes you all think we need to support you guys, when all you do is whine about things, you complain, you don't contribute when you're not on staff...and when we patch the fixes everyone else seems to fix you get all pissed off.

Who's the villan here Jim? Think REALLY hard.




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[*] Posted on 3-31-2008 at 09:40 PM
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I don't care if it's a 3rd party comment or not. Regardless, you backed it up. And you need to get a grip on yourself. I don't care what you say. My statement is not false and has been backed up with documented proof. It doesn't matter if it's set in stone or not. You (and Andrew) have put the idea out there. There is not one word in that thread to the contrary. So, as it stands, I'd say it's at least under consideration. There's been talk of 2.0 for at least 5 years but obviously it doesn't exist. So therefore it is still under consideration as well.

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This is not negativity, it's correcting a statement which is false. If someone went around spreading rumors that X item is being provided by you, wouldn't you want to confirm to users that it is not true? I don't believe I need to say more.
It can't be a rumor if it's posted even if it's just a remote idea.

And since it has been mentioned to possibly go in the direction of a social network I made my decision to go off in another direction.

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Your signature isn't banned, I'm not sure what you're on about?
That was 3 years ago when I offered to help xmbhacks.
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After all, my signature link was banned before for no apparent reason.
Keyword: before

Whatever issues you have with John is between you all. But I'd like to know what other dramatic issues I've made about xmb? You're so full of crap in all this other drivel you've spewed on about, it's boring me to tears. I stay out of xmb as much as possible. I don't go there. I don't start trouble. I rarely post. And who doesn't complain when there's been long periods of time where there's been no movement from xmb? If the people didn't complain long enough and hard enough I doubt there would have been much movement since mid 2006. Then last year iEntry took over and blew all this smoke up everyone's collective ass and fell through on everything. Things didn't start moving until John took the reins and the debacles that were 1.9.6 RC1, RC2 and 1.9.7 RC3 were stopped and 1.9.8 was finally released. What? Almost 3 years between the last stable release (1.9.5 to) to 1.9.8. Yeah people are gonna get restless and demand things. Me, personally? I didn't really care either way. The longer xmb idled the more time I didn't have to spend updating hacks. Maybe xmb should concentrate on the core software and leave the hacks up to the hack sites instead of trying to do 2 things at once. Time spent on xmbhacks is time that could be put towards xmb 2.0!!! Imagine that.....

You say people don't step up. You're out of your mind. John stepped up and from what I gathered you (xmb) kicked him in the ass. I've seen him and xmb go back and forth with each other for 7 years now and he's probably been the biggest contributor to xmb. It's the same with me. For a long time I was pretty much the only one, along with Daf, who kept xmbhacks going the last time. Plus I was doing support at xmb. So don't tell me I've never stepped up. I just figured if I was going to support this software and install stuff for people that I would rather do it on my own terms on my own site. I stepped up again 3 years ago when I offered to get xmbhacks back on its feet but was kicked in the ass myself. So that was when I cut my ties with the main xmb site and xmbhacks. So why shouldn't I just stay to myself and do my own thing here as I have for 3 years, 11 months and 2 weeks? Why would I seek an alliance with something that's already burnt me? No one from the new regime has approached me in, what?, over a year now?

One good thing that I am now looking forward to in going off in another direction is that I won't have to put up with this kind of crap anymore.

Oh yeah, I can think of a drama episode now that I think back on things. And it was instigated by YOU!!! just about 3 years ago.




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Any issues anyone has with me is of there own doing. I don't bother with anyone or anything over there. I do my own thing. I serve the community, Not XMB management. I have done so for 7 years and will continue to do so. get mad, yell, skew the truth, lie, whatever makes you happy. I can't recall a time when I have ever gotten mad either. Open source is what I benefit from and carry on.:thumbsup:

@Jim- do like I do and just ignore the likes of this none sense. They do a good enough job making an ass of themselves that they don't need help.
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As I have said before I am looking forward to this project:yes:.

Personally I think everything that has been said against the XMB group is true. I myself was banned over there under a blatent false accusation.

Train says he does not not know what everyone is talking about regarding turning off signatures, well you should do by now seeing as you turned off my signature, John's and Wormhole's by the sound of it.
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As I have said before I am looking forward to this project:yes:.

Personally I think everything that has been said against the XMB group is true. I myself was banned over there under a blatent false accusation.

Train says he does not not know what everyone is talking about regarding turning off signatures, well you should do by now seeing as you turned off my signature, John's and Wormhole's by the sound of it.


what were you banned for anyways? Not to take this off topic.
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Well, on my XMB sig, I had a link to my own site as well as a link to the UltraXMB project site. In my 1 post, I linked to a theme for XMB, this was removed 5 mins after along with my sig. 2 or 3 hours later I was banned for reffering to my signature which was removed by a XMB admin hours before.

So in all honesty, this is, yet another example of how corrupted the 'XMB Management' is.
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I fail to see how such opportunities weren't afforded. When Aventure got the boot, several members of the UltimaBB team got back onboard at XMB to help try and stabilize XMB- as a software and as a community. UltimaBB took a serious hit as a direct result of this. The idea of making UltimaBB the new codebase for XMB was even brought to the table, which would've meant the end of the UltimaBB project. I don't know what more you could ask for there.

As for UltraXMB, our team has been treated very negatively by the XMB Team, and great lengths have been made to ensure UltraXMB isn't even mentioned around XMBForum or XMBHacks. Meanwhile I can't recall any badmouthing of XMB's Pro build, and as far as my personal demeanor, I congratulated XMB on the 1.9.9 release and wished the best of luck with 2.0. I fail to see where opportunities haven't been provided by either project. There's absolutely no reason why all these projects can't work with and benefit each other. All it takes is burying the hatchet and accepting the projects. Badmouthing, bad politics, and bad arguments aren't going to make any project go away, but they'll hurt all the projects involved. If you need proof of this, just think of all the people who made great contributions to XMB and now won't touch anything XMB related because they're done with the politics.

More on topic, Congratulations on embarking on XMB Optimized. I'm really excited to see what comes of it. If you're ever in need of graphics or template work, give me a holler. :)




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No worries Tanner, If I wanted to be an [Censored] I could have just uploaded the backup of xmb's database and let the whole world know about UltraXMB. These trolls want to make people think we are bad for XMB and that we want to hurt the community when in fact, we have been civilized, giving and supportive of the community and saved it's life. I have not once sunk to the all time lows that the XMB regime has. I have never tried to deviate the community or bring harm to it. I have only given to it. So these assholes need to think before they speak.

Bring XMB Optimized on I say!!! UltraXMB will stand behind it and maybe both projects can benefit from one another. We will prove them wrong. Guldan is a very skilled and talented person and I know he is going to do some awesome stuff and look forward to it.
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[*] Posted on 4-3-2008 at 04:25 PM
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Come on people, lets not have a Flame war at XMBG. This thread is an announcement of what XMBG is intending to do for the future.

XMBG has stayed away from all the politics of XMB and now you have all brought it here, which I am sure they do not want. You have hijacked a thread which is NOT the right place for this discussion, which has nothing at all to do with XMBG. I am a strong believer of: "If You Have Nothing Nice to Say, Say Nothing At All".

Jim, I wish you and Guldan the best with your new project.
May I suggest splitting this thread and then closing the original announcement?




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[*] Posted on 4-3-2008 at 05:27 PM
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Come on people, lets not have a Flame war at XMBG. This thread is an announcement of what XMBG is intending to do for the future.

XMBG has stayed away from all the politics of XMB and now you have all brought it here, which I am sure they do not want. You have hijacked a thread which is NOT the right place for this discussion, which has nothing at all to do with XMBG. I am a strong believer of: "If You Have Nothing Nice to Say, Say Nothing At All".

Jim, I wish you and Guldan the best with your new project.
May I suggest splitting this thread and then closing the original announcement?


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[*] Posted on 4-3-2008 at 07:52 PM


Thanks for splitting this up John! :thumbsup:

And thanks, guys, for the encouragement and support of XMB Optimized.

And Tanner, if you don't mind, I may just call on you for a theme or two. I've tried to contact Sherri, who created the XMBG Reflections and XMBG EX and XMBG Optimized themes, but to no avail.




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[*] Posted on 4-3-2008 at 08:03 PM


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Bring XMB Optimized on I say!!! UltraXMB will stand behind it and maybe both projects can benefit from one another. We will prove them wrong. Guldan is a very skilled and talented person and I know he is going to do some awesome stuff and look forward to it.


Thanks John, that means a lot coming from you. I do have some good stuff planned for XMBOptimized. Afraid I can't let anything slip just yet ;)

It'll be a little while before it's ready to be seen by the public, thanks to everyone who's shown their support so far. I'm definitely as excited to work on it as you are about seeing it in action.

Train's actions in this thread are just reaffirming some of the reasons we want to split off from XMB, so I'm going to concentrate on working on XMBOptimized, instead of waiting for XMB to get their act together. How long have we been waiting on XMB 2.0 now? Since 1.9.1? :rolleyes:

As far as the banned sig issue, I won't say much, because as far as I'm concerned the issue is behind us, but I do know for a fact that WormHole's sig was removed, and while mine was not, xmbgarage became a censored word at XMB and XMBHacks, which then broke any links to it, including mine.




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