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[*] Posted on 7-3-2004 at 05:51 PM
Be wary of copycat sites....



that offer install services like we do here. I've had reports that an individual associated with a new site of this nature has been cracking xmb boards. It's one thing to trust someone with your login info (the keys to your house) but it's another thing to do so if someone is known to participate in unscrupulous activities. You wouldn't give a thief the keys to your house, would you?

In fact, this copycat site has gone so far as to 'steal' some of the ideas from this site. And have stolen descriptive text verbatim. Let's get original, people, and think of your own stuff and not steal other people's ideas and text. :rolleyes:




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[*] Posted on 7-4-2004 at 01:13 AM


I know your avoiding disclising who this is to prevent accusation of defamation but If you could U2U me about this site and anything you know I can make a few checks and balances on the situation.;)
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[*] Posted on 7-4-2004 at 05:40 AM


It seems that a supporter of XMB Garage has gone to that other site and posted their support for XMB Garage. Thanks! I appreciate the support. And apparently one of the admins thought it was me and has 'warned' them twice and is threatening to ban that user. That admin sure was quick to jump the gun and assume it was me. Thinking it was me who was the poster "I" earned a double warning! But I can assure you that I won't be signing up at that site anytime soon. Especially seeing the ill-will that admin has for me over an incident from a couple months back. And the inception of that copycat site I will suspect is a way off saying, "F**K YOU! for not giving me hacks when I pestered you for them and for not making me an installer". When, in fact, they failed the Installer's Test miserably and tried to cheat at it, too. Get over it fellas!



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[*] Posted on 7-4-2004 at 11:27 AM


lmao man what a cop out. First of all people the site Wormhole is talking about is XMBWORLD.com! Lets not be childish about this huh wormhole. Now please feel free to bash us all you wish, but first of all who are you pointing this to

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that offer install services like we do here. I've had reports that an individual associated with a new site of this nature has been cracking xmb boards. It's one thing to trust someone with your login info (the keys to your house) but it's another thing to do so if someone is known to participate in unscrupulous activities.


That’s pretty low, even for you wormhole, you know all of us, Me, Ben and Jdmnet are good people so i want you to remove that disclaimer you really are something else!

Now as for the poster who came over, you didn’t mention why they got two warns wormhole, but then again you wouldn’t would you! Well let me explain, i was the one who sent them warnings, for spamming nearly every forum with the same thing

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how dare you rip off xmb garage!



Now if this person had read the rules they would have known doing this in every forum is not allowed! Hell what is a warning system for? So put yourself in the same shoes wormhole before spouting your mouth off!

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In fact, this copycat site has gone so far as to 'steal' some of the ideas from this site. And have stolen descriptive text verbatim



Dude, man have you got a big head about things! What are your thoughts on Revdev? JDMNet? Freewills site! or even Smmarcs site? Your an admin or whatever on XMBHacks aren’t you? you must be pretty pissed off with them doing the same thing huh? XMBWORLD offers installs so friggin what? we offer XMB hacks also! I merely help out over there as i was asked (gods knows i shouldn’t have to answer to you)

Now as for our disagreement, yeah i am still pissed at you, what you did wormhole was very unprofessional indeed! End of the day petty backstabbing, childish little comments like the ones you have made show just how immature you really are! Stop crying over spilt milk and move on!

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[*] Posted on 7-4-2004 at 12:17 PM


We dont get pissed at the other sites, because they're different than XMBHacks. XMBHacks makes some hacks, but they mostly distribute. RevDev does a lot of developing, and they distribute Exclusives of XMBS and ComputeRelated, which are hard to find nowadays. JDMNet is Johnathon's personal site where he releases mostly his own hacks. And same with ssmarc. They're all different. But XMBGarage is one of the first original Ideas to come along in quite a while, and then someone desides because he didnt get to be a part of it, to copy it and make his own. And if you look, a lot of the text on your site is stolen verbatum from here. and as for this:

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How can you be so sure that isnt true, and that wormhole is just making cheap stabs at people? I've had two people contact me about someone you now work with threatening to have their site shut down because it copied his. Then later the same day, the same person contacted me, sent me a link to the site that was working fine the same morning, and All that was there was a blank page that said "Oh My God, we are dead nvm." Looked like all the templates had been erased. I'd say that's a little suspicious wouldnt you. And the person you work with is also not a very good hack installer. Have you seen his other site? He multi hacks that board to no end, and I cant tell you how many times i've had to go in and fix his numerous column count errors. He even was stupid enough to install the 1.8 version of a hack on his 1.9 board when he was repeatedly told it would not work. Doesnt sound like the sign of a good installer does it. Why do you think he asked me to work for his site? Because he knows I can do it without messing up. It just makes me angry to see a good idea ripped off.




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[*] Posted on 7-4-2004 at 01:16 PM


I feel if thats the case i have no need to fight in this thread, i will leave it to ben. I am not aware of the above you stated GuldantheWarlock therefore i can comment... i can only leave it to Ben. In any case if you work on a site which you enjoy you fight in its defence, i have done so like anyone else would. I now will leave this to Wormhole and Ben.

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[*] Posted on 7-4-2004 at 03:56 PM


Hey Nick! FLICK OFF! Your shorts are still twisted in knots over the warning hack crap from a couple of months ago. You need to get over it.

Well Nick, I thought I knew you somewhat with helping you out several times over the last couple of years. But it's obvious I don't know you. But getting to know who you really are better and better all the time. I've even expressed concern over you and Jonathon getting involved with this project and the association with certain people. And I have no idea who this Ben is that you speak of. But if he wants to come here and engage in verbal confrontation then so be it.

And I have no problems with all those other sites you mentioned. They don't even offer install services. So it looks to me like you're pulling s*h*i*t out of your ass because you don't know any better.

As for the poster you had banned. I was only aware of one thread they posted in. So therefore I wouldn't know, and wouldn't care, about your pitiful reasons for banning them. I just goes to show you can't take the heat when it's turned on.

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Looks to me like you're the one still crying over spilt milk. What I did was unprofessional? Only in your eyes Nick. According to the poll results and comments the majority was in favor of public announcements of bad hacks. The way you got your shorts twisted in knots over it is unprofessional. You need to grow up and quit crying when something you've done is flawed and is pointed out.

And now my view on this to you, Nick, is I hope you go down with the site when all of your asses end up in a world of trouble because one of your cohorts likes to take sites down because he gets pissed off about something he doesn't like.

And, yes, whoever created that site did rip off text here verbatim. Open your eyes and read and compare. Unless, of course, the text has been changed in the course of the past 12 hours.

And I do apologize if that poster upset you. I can't control people and what they do. I have no idea who it was, and frankly don't care who it was, but it just goes to show you can't take it whenever anybody picks at you. This is instance number 2.

And for your information anybody who knows me knows that I don't make cheap stabs at anyone. I make expensive stabs that have merit behind them. And that's what you can't handle.




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[*] Posted on 7-4-2004 at 06:20 PM


Well, I can tell you that me and James have went our rounds more than once but we are both grown men and have better things to do other than harbor crap against one another. We are not good friends and for the most part we tolerate one another for the greater good of others overall. So there is a sense of some respect there. While I do not agree with James' tactics of handling things always the same can be said for my method of madness so I can no more judge him without holding myself in contempt.

With that said. Xmbworld is a straight up rip-off. Just more loser a s s wannabes trying to be something they are not and proving it by going as far as copying other peoples sites to the damn tee. Xmbworld has not only copied off this site but also revdev.com forums to the damn tee as well. it's lame s*h*i*t like this that led me and computerelated.com to close our doors among having lives as well.

Now I would not give a good God d a m n if people actually showed some originality.

Now if you guys think Wormhole is a d i c k h e a d then you really don't know me because I am as big as they come. Xmbworld has one week to remove my content from the site and if they do not comply then kiss that site's ass good-bye. I guarantee that in writing.

You guys will not mess with this site while I am around and that is for damn sure. It's the only site where people can actually get one on one and installations. No others site provides that service and they do it with integrity and respect for the community and that is what makes a community effort good. You mofos have a lot to learn and if you don't get your heads out of your backends your going to learn it the really hard way real fast.
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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 05:49 AM


I thought you weren't coming back... :P





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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 06:31 AM


huh! yeah great.

I thought it was worth noting rocket! Seeing as i double posted i would loose the 2nd! but looks like it deletes both!

Seems whoever ask's me for help seems to have a bad rep in this commuinty and i put in my all to get a wrap on the knuckles for it! Which is understandable! as i guess i should check people out to start with.

Wormhole, i admit i was hot headed coming in here with my guns blazing but if you support something then you fight for it! But yes i was in the wrong and was in the wrong to get envolved with something like this. I hope sometime in the near future we can put all set backs behind us. and i also hope i can re-essablish friends within the commuinty because the end of the day its friends that are worth more!

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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 09:21 AM


Seems as if xmbworld.com has vanished, as of 10:21AM EST....... :o
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Apology accepted. We'd rather have you as a friend than enemy. If you dont mind me asking, what changed your mind?



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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 11:05 AM


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I'm not back actually. I still use IPB and do stuff for that now. onlyu reason I am here is to assist james with this site regarding hacks. I am not interested in having my own hack site and since most hack authors are gone and do not stay current there hacks go to hell when new updates in xmb are made. My intention and goal is to help james keep these mods current, safe, secure and fluent with xmb code rather than unstable and posing issues.
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Apology accepted. We'd rather have you as a friend than enemy. If you dont mind me asking, what changed your mind?


Seeing things properly! Seeing the bigger picture so to speak! I have had someone make me look an ass in this commuinty already in the past so i thought i would learn by my mistakes, but it seems i didnt, and i have too much faith in people! Man thats going to change now!

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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 11:51 AM


Seems the site, in its entirety, is gone now.



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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 02:36 PM


well it's nice to know that you see things in the same way we do, it was nice that you wanted to create a service for other people, but going and creating a "duplicate" site isn't the way to do it! if you were really pastioniate about doing it the you should have brushed up on your installing skills and applied for the job at this site! but now it's going to take alot of time to regain that trust which you've just lost. But it's nice to have you back!



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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 02:44 PM


I wasnt creating it! I was merly helping out installing hacks he made the site what it was! I was there to install stuff for people! But yeah you are right..... I was stupid, thanks for the comment dude:)

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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 02:48 PM


oh and we'll still visti knightrider for some stuff! you have made some usefull hacks in the past!!



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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 02:54 PM


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because the end of the day its friends that are worth more!
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Yea Nick wasnt creating the site, it was all the idea of another person (who, unless someone else wants to embarass them, shall remain as anonymous as I can attempt to make them) who had applied to be an installer here, and most likely because he failed miserably at the test, and at keeping his own forum in working order, and because we wouldnt give him the hacks he continualy pestered us for, decided to steal a good idea. But instead of making it something original, he just ripped us and other xmb sites off. I'm glad to see it's gone down.



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[*] Posted on 7-5-2004 at 11:51 PM


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Wormhole, i admit i was hot headed coming in here with my guns blazing but if you support something then you fight for it! But yes i was in the wrong and was in the wrong to get envolved with something like this. I hope sometime in the near future we can put all set backs behind us. and i also hope i can re-essablish friends within the commuinty because the end of the day its friends that are worth more!

So Wormhole, John and the rest please accept my appoliges.

Nick
Apology accepted.

"i admit i was hot headed coming in here with my guns blazing but if you support something then you fight for it!"

This can actually be applied to both, this and the warning hack, situations. Nick, I never meant you any harm or to cause bad feelings when I posted that alert a couple of months back about the warning hack. I, and the popular opinion in that thread, agree that it wasn't wrong to do. People had to be told about it. As I said, I know of 3 boards it took down all in the same way and all when installing the warning hack. I can understand getting a little peeved because something you worked at was flawed and it was pointed out. Fortunately Jonathon diagnosed the problem and came up with the fix for it. It should have been let go of right then with all parties satisfied. But it was very obvious that you were still upset about it all this time because you stopped coming here.

So then someone that still remains unknown to me posted their comment at xmbworld and you immediately jumped to the assumption that it was me. First of all, if you knew me at all you would know that I wouldn't use a different name. I would have registered as myself and would have dealt with the situation straight up. You can ask John, he knows I don't sugar coat nothin' and I shoot straight from the hip. And I do agree with you that if you believe in something you fight for it. I had no problem with xmbworld really. But after somethings that were brought out into the open my main concern became the people that were going to give their account info to some of unscrupulous nature. Then when I heard that you and Jonathon were involved I felt a great sense of disappointment and hoped you guys wouldn't get into any trouble. But then when I was shown the site and saw that it was a blatant rip-off that got me going. I wouldn't have had a problem with it if it was a little bit more original in thought and content. Sure, you got McDonald's and you have Burger King. Same idea, basically the same product but each is different in their own way. If things were done for the right reasons, and I'm positive the reason Guldan stated was the impetus for that site, things could have been way different. We could have had a reciprocal relationship where, for example, you didn't have something a user wanted so then you would refer them to us and vice-versa. Lord knows there's enough xmb users to go around. We choose not to distribute hacks not because of the copyright issue, and we do respect that, but because we all know that 99% of xmb users know where to get the hacks if they want to install them themselves. We try to cater to the newbie, the person who doesn't want to mess with hacks, or the user that doesn't trust their ability to hack their board for fear of destroying it. These are the people that don't need the hacks. But, yes, we could have had a working relationship I do believe.

Anyways, with all that said apology accepted. Let's move forward. You're welcome here, Nick, and if you want to contribute in any way you see fit you are more than welcome to.

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[*] Posted on 7-6-2004 at 04:41 AM


I thank you from my heart wormhole and others! Lets start a new!

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[*] Posted on 7-6-2004 at 04:50 AM


You're welcome, Nick! Starting over is good. I'm just sorry that it all came down like this. But it's water under the bridge, as they say, and it's time to move on.



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good to see this has all come to a positive light. Now muster up soldiers and get to marching!!!;)
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[*] Posted on 7-8-2004 at 11:49 PM


Well; i know it's a little late for my post.. but, I'll through in my two cents.

I started helping with this site before i knew what it was about.

Then when I relaized it was trying to just like XMBGarage -- I did nothing mroe on that site, they had posted my mods and stuff -- cause I said it was fine -- but, I never posted anything there.

And I do aplogize to if this caused any hard feelings -- I myself started to get annoyed when it seemd to be a copy-cat site.

Which, my and John aren't on the best of "friendships" right now anyways - so he probably dislikes me more now. (I guess I don't blame him... lol).

Butm I do aplogize too, to everyone that got annoyed with this site.

( guess i should have been smarter and posted something at the XMBWorld site as well; I'm sure this post will get me some heated responses as well )


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